i mean unless someone tells you what to believe with authority, then some people might not have much control
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KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk
if you have a situation in your brain when you even need to bothered by consensus with those things, it means you have imbalanced system
things like that should be mutual almost immediately. otherwise it gets unnecessary drama
Yes ideally that kind of drama shouldn't arise in the first place, but whether it "should" or "shouldn't" has nothing to do with whether it is possible or not
KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk
i would ask you to stop telling people to stop (edited)
ur gonna cause people paranoia by saying tulpas arent seperate from the host
Abvieon {Alex}
Yes ideally that kind of drama shouldn't arise in the first place, but whether it "should" or "shouldn't" has nothing to do with whether it is possible or not
sorry i can't waste my time explaining obvious meaning behind my words
6:52 PM
your interpretation is wrong
Abvieon {Alex}
Yes ideally that kind of drama shouldn't arise in the first place, but whether it "should" or "shouldn't" has nothing to do with whether it is possible or not
I don't think it's a bad thing to state tulpas are not completely separate from their hosts. Complete separation is impossible, that's more or less a fact. How separate is more of a debate, and I don't think it's fair to claim any opinion on this is right or wrong
Yeah separation isn't a black and white thing. There are varying degrees and varying types of separation. Though a tulpa is separate enough to say no to things and not always go along with what the host wants/expects.
I think that's fine, it's good to know that philosophy works for you, but keep in mind what works for you doesn't always apply to others.
Abvieon {Alex}
Yeah separation isn't a black and white thing. There are varying degrees and varying types of separation. Though a tulpa is separate enough to say no to things and not always go along with what the host wants/expects.
imagine you are a brain of two headmates:
one wants sexy time
another doesn't want it
with that, the brain experiences rejection, and also rejecting someone + possibly feeling creepy about the whole situation
6:56 PM
i can't see it as not disrupting the life of someone
6:56 PM
especially if someone has rejection problems(edited)
6:57 PM
which is why i think in that regard system should be built in a way where headmates have mutual feelings like that(edited)
I feel like it's going to be relatively difficult for a person to cause real mental harm through self inflicted or internal conflict like that. Possible, for sure, and I wouldn't doubt if it did happen on occasion, but I also feel like a lot of times those issues are encountered they are expressions of pre-existing insecurities or rejection-concerns more-so than issues caused by a person's interactions with their tulpa.
I feel like it's going to be relatively difficult for a person to cause real mental harm through self inflicted or internal conflict like that. Possible, for sure, and I wouldn't doubt if it did happen on occasion, but I also feel like a lot of times those issues are encountered they are expressions of pre-existing insecurities or rejection-concerns more-so than issues caused by a person's interactions with their tulpa.
I think the 90% case is host has a desire to fill that niche - tulpa shows up - tulpa inevitably expresses some sort of interest in the host and the host says "well I'd never push it on them but since they asked..."
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Nao
so if my tulpa was rejected id expirence that too
@poochball - jump
Yeah. The same goes with tulpa being raped, as we discussed earlier
with tulpas being forced to do do sexy time, it doesn't really need to be a "bad" thing. people do have bdsm phantasies where someone is forced. the difference between bdsm and tulpamancy is that tulpamancy doesn't need a secret word, because noone is getting a physical harm
7:03 PM
(and people do have phantasies of being forced, too)
7:03 PM
(which in a brain where it can experience forcing and being forced, that perfect for someone with bdsm tendenceis)
KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk
the brain experiences rejection which is where the bleeds come from
Emotional bleed is not 100% the same as experiencing something first-hand
KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk
with tulpas being forced to do do sexy time, it doesn't really need to be a "bad" thing. people do have bdsm phantasies where someone is forced. the difference between bdsm and tulpamancy is that tulpamancy doesn't need a secret word, because noone is getting a physical harm
with tulpas being forced to do do sexy time, it doesn't really need to be a "bad" thing. people do have bdsm phantasies where someone is forced. the difference between bdsm and tulpamancy is that tulpamancy doesn't need a secret word, because noone is getting a physical harm
By that logic... any argument or disagreement had with a tulpa would be irrelevant and silly and pointless because it's "happening in your head." I need to drive home the point that there is a massive difference between doing something with an imaginary puppet and doing something with a being that has independent will and consciousness. They are not entirely the same because both are experienced "in your head"
if you want to interpret your experience which has a potential to make you upset what other people do with their own brain then sure, go for it, you have power to do that
7:09 PM
it is literally happening in your head
7:09 PM
those things are real because you believe they are
your beliefs not only form your experience but they also form the empathy you have of what is happening in someone else's system/someone else's brain, your reactions to that are based on that
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Abvieon {Alex}
By that logic... any argument or disagreement had with a tulpa would be irrelevant and silly and pointless because it's "happening in your head." I need to drive home the point that there is a massive difference between doing something with an imaginary puppet and doing something with a being that has independent will and consciousness. They are not entirely the same because both are experienced "in your head"
If you have internal rules about treating headmates as independent and respecting that independence, there's going to be internal consequences to breaking those rules.
Ale𝕏andra 🍄🐈
If you have internal rules about treating headmates as independent and respecting that independence, there's going to be internal consequences to breaking those rules.
I would compare it to your ability to bite your finger off - your mouth is powerful enough to do it - but you have a number of pretty strong safeguards preventing you from doing it despite that.
thats irrelevant to the convo if a tulpa says no back off and respect it it might be in ur head but morally speaking no still matters if they say no and u think its okay then id have concerns for u
if you want to interpret your experience which has a potential to make you upset what other people do with their own brain then sure, go for it, you have power to do that
You're not wrong. But what you're describing isn't a tulpa.
You're accepting independence up until the point where it's inconvenient to consider. I don't see that as any different than dissociating from the suffering of regular empathy grade thoughtforms(edited)
7:16 PM
Or at least that's what you seemed to be suggesting.
Can be complicated - there are degrees to which this can be the case - you could have an extreme full-acceptance-no-safeguards where every intrusive or errant thought is accepted and see degrees of "shutdown" incerasing from that point until there is no acceptance-of-independence and then you have just a character - but all the between points are where people will actually fall in regards to how they do tulpamancy.
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